all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
So Dubstepped:
You are saying that it is wrong for someone who is a fornicator which would include adulterer to be considered that forever. So if you cheat on your wife, she must forgive you and not divorce you for that, because you only cheated on her once so you are not an adulterer forever just for that single time.
all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
You talk about that one cannot say just because the a person who has been abused or has gone through a tramatic event is still convicted and punish for a crime you cannot equate that to a sin or shunning someone.
According to the VA PTSD for veterans can lead to the following family issues:
Male Veterans with PTSD are more likely to report marital or relationship problems, higher levels of parenting problems, and generally poorer family adjustment than Veterans without PTSD. (2,6,7) Research has shown that Veterans with PTSD are less self-disclosing and expressive with their partners than Veterans without PTSD. (8) PTSD Veterans and their wives have also reported a greater sense of anxiety around intimacy. (7) Sexual dysfunction also tends to be higher in combat Veterans with PTSD than in Veterans without PTSD. (9) It has been posited that diminished sexual interest contributes to decreased couple satisfaction and adjustment. (10)
So should these indviduals get a pass for everything because they have experienced negative effects, even though they aren't committing crimes. Should there marriage mates have to suffer through all the ordeals if they aren't strong enough themselves to deal with what is happening. Should children be required to suffer through a parent's alcholism or other negative effects from that disorder just because it isn't technically classified as abuse. The list goes on and on. Should an employeer have to suffer through a subpar employee because of the event.
Yes, victims of child abuse do suffer for a life time and may never recover from that experience. But that does not negate completely how society expects them to act in general, they are still required to meet normal social contracts with general society.
all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
And btw the reason for the same posts is that the site delayed the posts and it kept on repeating the same post.
all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
And JWs feel that their reasons are good as well to shun. You obviously believe that there are some legitimate reasons to shun someone, such as them being a murderer or a child molester. Now it comes down to what those reasons are.
Also you just have the account that Ray Franz says was the reason for him being DF, that could be the reason and it may not be. You don't know the true reason nor do I. That is the problem with anecdotical evidence, it is just taking someone's word for it. That is why I qualified my statement by saying that my experience is this, it may not be everyone's experience but that is my experience. My experience is true for me but not for everyone.
all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
Wow FastJehu, you are just like orphan crow in just taking a small fraction of a statement and make it apply to what you want it to apply too. Here is the full statement of that paragraph.
Immediately Judas left the group. A comparison of Matthew 26:20-29 with John 13:21-30indicates that he departed before Jesus instituted the celebration of the Lord’s Evening Meal. Luke’s presentation of this incident evidently is not in strict chronological order, for Judas had definitely left by the time Christ commended the group for having stuck with him; that would not fit Judas, nor would he have been taken into the “covenant . . . for a kingdom.”
Also notice that in the parallel acocunt in John it says:
After saying these things, Jesus became troubled in spirit, and he bore witness, saying: “Most truly I say to you, one of you will betray me.”+22 The disciples began to look at one another, being at a loss as to which one he was talking about.+ 23 One of the disciples, the one whom Jesus loved,+ was reclining close to* Jesus. 24 Therefore, Simon Peter nodded to this one and said to him: “Tell us whom he is talking about.” 25 So the latter leaned back on the chest of Jesus and said to him: “Lord, who is it?”+26 Jesus answered: “It is the one to whom I will give the piece of bread that I dip.”+ So after dipping the bread, he took it and gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Is·carʹi·ot. 27 After Judas took the piece of bread, then Satan entered into him.+ So Jesus said to him: “What you are doing, do it more quickly.” 28 However, none of those reclining at the table knew why he said this to him. 29 Some, in fact, were thinking that since Judas was holding the money box,+ Jesus was telling him, “Buy what we need for the festival,” or that he should give something to the poor. 30 So after he received the piece of bread, he went out immediately. And it was night.+
1 Corinthians 9:11
NIV:
But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
NLT:
I meant that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a believer yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or is a drunkard, or cheats people. Don't even eat with such people.
ESV:
But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
NASB:
But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler-- not even to eat with such a one.
Is that enough translations and versions or would you like more.
all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
How did Jesus not shun Judas dubstepped?
all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
Hey Outlaw how about you not respond to any of my statements anymore. i can go out and find my own stupid memes and just show it to myself since that is all you do anyways, you don't have anything to contribute but memes. I am the dumb one for actually saying something so your just a dumb mute because you won't even talk.
all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
LoveUniHateExams Please read your own question:
@Richard Oliver - why do JWs shun disassociated people?
Where in your question did you state that of child abuse victims. I answered your question. So yes Jesus did shun someone who was going to participate in a plot to kill him, but he did choose to shun Judas. Second, JWs believe in the comments to Timothy that All scriptures are inspired by God, so it is not that just because Jesus didn't say something doesn't mean that Christians don't believe it, that is true for most denominations of Christians.
Also, I know that I will be accused of being callous and un-loving, but those that have gone through a traumatic situation does not get a pass for everything else that they do in their life. Look at how the law views veterans who have post-traumatic stress disorder and then commit a crime, there past does come into play for mitigation of a punishment but doesn't mean that they aren't punished for the things that they do later in life. Would you excuse a person who had sexually abused a child because as a child the perpetrator was abused as a child? No you wouldn't, you may want some mercy to be shown to them and the punishment to be less severe but you would still expect that person to be punished.
